Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Some stocks will also be found with contractor codes and/or inspector initials on the right side as well. I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return. Markings:There is no visible import mark. The trigger group is marked SG on the right rear which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 78). ): B [circled] (I've seen some cases of 100 that were marked Winchester, but packed with these "B" magazines-- could they be a subcontract from Bridgeport?) They didn't come any other way--period. or may have other markings. G.S. It is assumed some were sequential but possibly not all. There is no bayonet lug. of 0.5. Some enterprising fakers have welded up very deep staking punch marks, ground off the excess and refinished the receiver. It is in about Good condition. -Saginaw (S.G.): Marked Right Side: "PO" "SG" -No other contractor made these -Type III (Post War) -Could be marked: "SA" "RIA" "P" "R" -Bolts -Type I (Flat Bolt) -Inland: In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin The serial numbers allocated to these carbines were as follows. Late during the production of their type III M1 stocks, Winchester and Inland increased the length
Bore Condition:The bore is bright; semi bright at the muzzle. Most of the markings are deep. Caliber .30 Carbine Models M1, M1A1 and M2 (1) leftover carbines offered to Ordnance after a company name change and completion of the NPM contract (2) Toolroom Models: Pre Irwin-Pedersenhad assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government. The stock is pretty clean and has cartouche markings on it. Get Guns.com offers and news!! Saginaw Carbines made in the original Saginaw, Michigan factory are marked S.G. or SG. The serial number was placed on the carbine receiver during the manufacturing process of the receiver, not when the carbine was finally assembled. My IP is in the first serial block--1776xxx. Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines and history here: Please don't Private Message me for Carbine questions. What are you basing your question on? be complicated. $145.00 ea. I can't find out who made it. Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this particular page. Barrel Date: March, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. due to a lack of original documentation. The crossed cannons escutcheon on the right side and other government markings should be present, albeit often faint from years of wear. for you to submit by CLICKING HERE. s/n's intermixed w/IBM s/n's (also see Table E & F). This included a few of the previous Engineering carbines no longer needed. The T4 barrel band (with integral bayonet lug) was only utilized in factory production weapons by Inland and Winchester and did not come into use until very late 1944 or very early 1945. The same caveat basically holds true for the rotary safety. Receiver or barrel or? I've got one with (JJ) in a circle , on the flipper, on a Winchester. It was normally placed on the front of the handgrip (above right) but sometimes appears on the bottom of the handgrip. Thank you. A few unconverted type III stocks absent the bridge have
For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. Collector references books such as my Complete Guide to the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine and Larry Ruths excellent War Baby books are recommended for anyone wishing to explore the subject in greater depth. This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine uses almost all original Irwin-Pedersen parts that were made prior to Saginaw SG taking over. Copyright 2012-document.write(new Date().getFullYear())
American Black Walnut had a long history of Model:M1 Carbine. A. There are a variety of reasons things may have been changed or simply ignored. Location: Upwind of the Giant Plaster Lemon. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. Lighter colored wood such as birch was often stained darker before being finished. Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. Box, Paperwork & Accessories:The rifle has a canvas sling attached. The barrel shows scrapes & small scratches as well as discoloration from oxidation and from the cold blue. Documents found in the past have identified several prime contractors who assigned subsets of their serial numbers to their subcontractor(s). Factors like durability, reliability, and functionality are all important things to consider when choosing your next hunting go-to. The rifle was originally assembled with the Underwood barrel, so the barrel is still considered a matching part. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. With World War 2 M1 sling. There is light erosion at the muzzle. Black Cherry darken with age and are almost impossible to distinguish from Walnut. How long ago? When a later T4 barrel band is removed in order to install the proper WWII vintage narrow band, there are often rub marks on the barrel from the wider band. the first M2 stocks. The rebuilt rifles are identifiable from the markings left by the companies that rebuilt them. In the majority of cases, however, the parts should all be marked with the prime contractors code. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. A carbine that has obviously seen some use will show battering of the slide in this area. Ser. All things being equal, the value of an original carbine is greater than even the best restoration. barrel includes a date, it may provide a general idea of when the barrel was attached to the receiver. It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. The hammer is marked IP which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 89). Thinning on the trigger group. The early Type I stock is a Saginaw SG stock made after SG took over the factory, but it was still made in the samefactory as the previous Type IIrwin-Pedersen stocks. When did they change for from SG to S'G' markings? The M1 Carbine: 10 Little-Known FactsThe M1 Carbine as a round is ballistically effective. Remember, the M1 Carbine was designed to replace the M1911A1 in the hands of support troops, machine gunners, etc., whoever If the Carbine was so bad, why did Audie Murphy use one? Americans most-decorated soldier of World War II, Lt. It was the chosen weapon of our enemy. More items It is in about Very Good Plus to Fine condition. Many people have reconstructed many carbines with what they believe should have been on the carbine when it left the factory. It is possible you have an S'G' barrel that was mated to a Stan Prod. were available. Saginaw or Saginaw'. Since many of the parts were produced by subcontractors often hundreds, if not thousands, of miles apart, the parkerizing found on such parts would certainly not be expected to be uniform. Many of the marks have damaged small portions of the surface wood. Caveat Emptor! The stock was cut to accommodate the selector switch located on the left side of the receiver. Most WWII carbines had hand guards with two rivets rather than the four rivet hand guards found on later production carbines and many rebuilds. Refer to the page on Post World War II Activities for a list of the markings and further information. Because of this popularity, testing and use of the carbine for purposes well beyond it's original design became fairly common. Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. There is a P stamp where it should be. A full parts list with their markings is included in the photographs. Marked INLAND MFG. Two of the most significant areas to observe are the barrel and rear sight base. This rareIrwin-PedersenM1 Carbine is in Very Good Plus condition. Older Post Every week we put items for sale starting at $1 ! To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. Saginaw took over production in Grand Rapids and marked the facilities M1 Carbines SG to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Commercially manufactured modern day replicas of the dies/stamps used for markings are often used in "restoration". Which Saginaw? The sling well is marked RSG which was used bySaginaw SG, Irwin-Pedersen, and Saginaw Gear(page 108 109). 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). Ordnance also inspected
30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW SG / 3289121. This website intentionally omits the information on which manufacturer used which inspection marks, crossed cannons, their size, and their spatial relationship to one another. General Motors Steering Gear Division. Some stock
barrel channel (bottom), Thinner wood along the right side adjacent the slide on the earlier stocks (top)
Good luck. Excellent overall condition. NOTE: We have added in the descriptions of parts we have of different markings we have come across over the years. Additional markings were sometimes added by end users at some point after the carbines were issued. except stock which is Inland 1943. Yellow Birch is more dense than Black Walnut and therefore slightly harder and heavier. The M1 Carbine was widely issued to U.S. Military Forces which numbered over 16 million during WWII. service to the online gun buying experience that is unheard of. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition. Hi everyone, I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. Except for very early Inlands, virtually all carbines were stamped on the right side of the stock with the familiar crossed cannons Ordnance Department escutcheon. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments Ths M1 Carbine has since been refinished. two Ordnance rebuild P's. customers to the absolute best of our abilities. Front sight marked with N. Military Crossed Cannons Cartouche on right mid stock face. Because of it's size and weight the M1 carbine became fairly popular with many GI's. The SG denotes that it was made for the Inland Division of GM by the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM. 30 M1.; the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 3426991. The magazine release is not an SG part. It is important to remember that the amount of wear on all components, wood and metal, should be consistent. SOLD - Factory Chrome Walther PPK - Rare. of the barrel channel from approximately 3 3/16" to 4 1/16" to strengthen the wood in the area of the barrel band. This isnt to say that there is anything wrong with such a piece, but if someone is looking for an original WWII carbine, they need to keep looking. The bolt is marked SG on the right lug which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 36). The edge of the buttplate is marked PM-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 111). After the Irwin-Pedersen was canceled. This is not an accurate means of estimating the date the carbine was finally assembled or when it passed its final inspection. That's peDersen with a "D", by the way. We did not fire this rifle. The elimination of the bridge strengthening the stock forward of the trigger housing weakened this area making it prone to cracks. The Type IA barrel band is marked KV-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 59). The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. The underside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and a partial IR-IP stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 138). Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. All Rights Reserved. There are some exceptions to this rule as several prime contractors are known to have utilized parts made for other prime contractors. I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. Saginaw marked the Grand Rapids factory M1 Carbines SG to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant. You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. CARBINE / CAL. M1 Carbine Markings Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. 7 day inspection period on all website purchases. Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. It is in about Very Good Plus overall condition. Contracts had a completion date but there was no requirement for completing one contract before starting another. I've had this M1 Carbine for about 20-years. Think of each serial number block as a separate contract. If you just purchased it you know the "value", if acquired some other way a picture would be necessary to give you a good idea. S-C [stamped sideways] O-S [in curved type] SI SL [circled] Below is a breakdown of the parts: Barrel: Inland. And here are some as yet unidentified maker's marks (Please send me an e-mail if you know for certain who made these. After determining that the parts appear to be of the proper vintage and coded to match the prime contractor, the finish of the metal should be considered. Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun! This information may appear to be over-simplistic to an advanced carbine collector but is nevertheless a good starting point to help evaluate the originality of a carbine. I just picked up a sear marked "XI". Make:Saginaw SG. They should not be altered or fired. If you choose to do so please
Letter prefixes X through XD were initially allocated by Inland for carbines intended for internal use only. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, Specific M1 Carbine Contractor Discussions. It shows light discoloration & spots of soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes on the metal. IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. The stock shows several scrapes & scratches. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. It also has a S'G' stock and hand guard with an IP butt plate. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. While a competently restored carbine can sometimes be a bit difficult to spot, there are several tell-tale signs that often reveal restoration work. The stock rates in about Fine overall condition. It's listed with Inland. Saginaw Steering Gear in nearby Saginaw, MI was already engaged in the preparation for
Newer Post , Spotting a Restored or otherwise non-original M1 Carbine. block in the same time frame. The M2 stocks were often used as replacement stocks for the M1's. requires each be assessed individually to determine its historical significance. IP and S'G' mixed. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. It makes a difference. We would like to encourage you to share information you may have that will help reconstruct what was actually done versus planned. M2 selector switch, it was a type III stock manufactured by Winchester or Inland prior to
Some manufacturers used more than one
The thin high wood area was eliminated as it was perceived as a weak point. It shows light soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes & discoloration on the metal. Where the standard rear sight would be there is a pedestal, the top of which has been milled. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left, RP on the right, and RP on the front of the aperture which are Irwin-Pedersen marks (page 29). Stay in the know. This rifle is a must have for any WW2 or vintage collector. The markings on the
The one and only finish approved for use on the wood of the Caliber .30 Carbine was raw linseed oil. The M1 Carbine contributed greatly to U.S. efforts during WWII. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 65). For sale is Inland M1 Carbine ser# 3064171. The high wood refers to the stock, not the hand guard. The stock was also replaced and has no proof markings. To separate the production of each plant the prime symbol () was marked after the SG on the receivers of the Grand Rapids carbines. The bore is mint. Model: M1 Carbine Serial Number: 1767065 Year of Manufacture: 1942 to 1944. If these are stamped with bogus, but seemingly proper markings, such stocks could appear to be highly desirable mint original stocks. This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel
To strengthen the stock where the bridge had previously been located the wood of the type V
Typically these punch marks are rather deep and readily apparent. The top of the barrel is marked UNDERWOOD / 9 43 and P. Instead of buying a gun thats
to the assigned serial number blocks. Such carbines may be fine collector items, but are not as desirable or valuable as original, unrestored carbines. Serial If a receiver has its original barrel and the
marked: AI,SI, JI,or KI(INLAND) M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (bayonet lug) Used G.I. Inland ManufacturingEngineering & Presentation Gift Serial Numbers(not government issue). Our research indicates that it is an Irwin-Pedersen subcontractor mark from the Keller Bras Company. A few manufacturers used some serial number blocks out of order. The only firms that made their own barrels were Inland, Winchester, Underwood, Rock Ola and IBM. And unlike our competitors, it extends beyond the buying process. More pics on my later response. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which is a Saginaw Gear mark (page 65). Doing so may alter
During the course of production of the Type III stock for the M1 Carbine several manufacturers began making changes
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Black cherry was approved and saw very limited use. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Saginaw Carbines made at the Irwin-Pedersen Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . The muzzle gauges 2.5. During WWII the only stocks made with Birch were made by Sprague & Carleton Co. of Keene, NH for IBM (SC-B). The receiver, bolt, and trigger group have been refinished. The stock shows several scrapes, scratches, and compression marks. Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors. .. Swivels: Unmarked -Underwood: Didn't mark them. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. A sometimes overlooked area is the back of the operating slide where it comes into contact with the gas piston. Sent the OP some pictures of an all S'G' I had listed here last year, didn't get a single request for pictures from members, and asked two questions but had no reply. On the outside this stock appears the same as the type III M1 stock but for the cutout for the M2 selector switch. What caught my eyes right at the start when I purchased the little rifle was the unusual rear sight. Waste of time. CARBINE / CAL. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. The gun comes with one period-correct magazine. Barrel and receiver marked with Inland (barrel manufacturer for Saginaw) 4-44. C+B I.I.P. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. and appears to have come later. marked: JM, Amco, MMQ,J.M.Q. On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table. Ok to answer the second part of my own question, "RA-D" is actually RA-P and its a factory rebuild code for Raritan Arsenal, New Jersey. Our Assessment:The M1 Carbine was developed and produced after WWII started. The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. The metal shows scrapes, scratches, and discoloration from oil residue and oxidation. The receiver is marked SG under the wood and uses a wide locking tang. / 44. Sapwood is pale yellow-gray to nearly white. The stock seems to be varnished. At Guns.com, if an FFL is
Bolt is parkerized. The trigger group is a type two pattern with the upright Inland markings on GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. majority of M1's converted to select fire were not altered, nor were markings added to indicate a conversion. The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. They are a little bit rare, and the price is usually way too high. The sling is marked with a blurred stamping between the buckle & strap. Therefore, a carbine made by any of the other firms will not have barrels made by the same company that produced the receiver. An adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug were added, likely for issue during the Korean War. The stocks were also stamped with code markings which are normally found inside of the sling recess on the left side. Is any of this "original" or a product of a couple rebuilds? A little history of Saginaw (S'G') and its carbines. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. In all, more than 6.5 million M1 Carbines were produced between September 1941 and August 1945, making it one of the most prolific arms of World War II. Winchester continued this practice with their type IV M2 stocks and it became the
were parkerized, the tint and texture of these parts varied. Our Assessment:ThisSaginaw SG M1 Carbine was built sometime between 1942 and 1944 from the remaining parts at the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. If a Saginaw S'G' strip it down to see if it has any IP Irwin Peterson parts, could be a transitional carbine. There were 5 basic stock styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. Dating a carbine by its serial number alone is difficult and not always accurate given the circumstances inherent with manufacturing and the logistics situation
Walnut, Birch, and Cherry stocks were placed in raw linseed oil for a period of time,
In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids. A few of the manufacturers used subcontractors to manufacture their receivers. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. Do you have anything on safeties? The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. CARBINE / CAL. Barrels were a critical component in the production lines. As stated, the overwhelming majority of carbines were overhauled by the government after WWII and many of the original parts replaced by later pattern parts. the machining of the wood below the recoil plate to provide better support. This Inland M1 Carbine was made back in 1944. Most everything can be easily bought online these days. As solutions to old problems were learned, some of the same
A little history of Saginaw (S.G.) and its carbines. On the inside it has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood to strengthen the stock. Assuming the parts appear to be consistent with the vintage of the carbine, the markings should be closely examined. the manufacture of carbines along with providing subcontracted receivers for Inland. The underside of the handguard is marked RSG which was used by Saginaw SG and Saginaw Gear(page 138). After WWII it was not uncommon for M1 Carbines to be converted to select
The carbines used for this purpose were not from inventory submitted to or accepted by the government. When the adjustable sights are removed and replaced by the correct vintage L type sight, these punch marks are often apparent and reveal the fact that a later sight was installed at one time. Many were constructed using whatever parts
Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. Forgeries are a serious concern for collectors. I've spent the day going over my Inland. We did not fire this rifle. All Rights Reserved. There was no requirement as to using the serial numbers in order. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, 73 Plank Ave Paoli,
No one, so far, at CMP has ID'ed it yet. To get better and faster responses and opinions. That's a beauty! Ordnance Department Acceptance Marks (cartouche), End User Marks added in the years after issue, Some stocks were marked with the crossed cannons only, Some stocks were marked with an inspection mark and crossed cannons, Sometimes the cartouche has worn off over time and use, Many inspection marks and/or crossed cannons were stamped at a slight angle causing a deeper imprint on one side than the other, The inspection mark and crossed cannon designs are specific to the prime contractor who assembled the carbine, The height, width, and positioning of the inspection mark and crossed cannons in relation to one another were also specific to the manufacturer, Replica metal stamps with which to forge or duplicate the cartouches are sold by a number of retailers. The right rear which was used by Saginaw SG mark ( page )! 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